Now that the wave 5 cards are released upon us I thought I'd pester you with some questions regarding Gok and Mizuchi. Namely:
Gok
Conspiracy of he Cult: I suppose this is the same as the ability Gengo has. Does it have any range or LoS limit?
Dark Mutation: Can he use this several times in a round to get more than one of the options? (Does the Str +1 stack?)
Cloud of Flies: How long does it last? Just the next exchange, the current activation, to the end phase? Does all enemies entering BtB suffer it, or just those alredy in BtB?
Mizuchi
Fog of Hesitation: Does it affect one or all models in the aura? If just one, why is at an aura?
Spirit link: Is it restricted by range or LoS, or can he leech from any allied model anywhere on the table?
Tail swipe: Do I read this rightly to mean that tail swipe is an alternate weapon only usable when the model is active and makes a melee attack/charge, and not some sort of free attack whenever he activates?
Gok
Conspiracy of he Cult: I suppose this is the same as the ability Gengo has. Does it have any range or LoS limit?
No
Dark Mutation: Can he use this several times in a round to get more than one of the options? (Does the Str +1 stack?)
Yes
Cloud of Flies: How long does it last? Just the next exchange, the current activation, to the end phase? Does all enemies entering BtB suffer it, or just those alredy in BtB?
Until the End Phase, affecting all models that enter BtB.
Mizuchi
Fog of Hesitation: Does it affect one or all models in the aura? If just one, why is at an aura?
One model, its an aura to bring it in line with the rules and also as it doesnt require LoS and doesnt target which requires LoS.
Spirit link: Is it restricted by range or LoS, or can he leech from any allied model anywhere on the table?
Anywhere on the table.
Tail swipe: Do I read this rightly to mean that tail swipe is an alternate weapon only usable when the model is active and makes a melee attack/charge, and not some sort of free attack whenever he activates?
You read it right
"To a real warrior, power perceived may be power achieved."
When the cloud lasts until the turn end, why its made once per turn? To prevent stacking? The same effect should never stack anyway.
If effects remove ki feats.
"To a real warrior, power perceived may be power achieved."
Another question about Conspiracy of the cult:
Can Gok be cut by himself?
Yes, he can. (although with all my rules comments I would await further confirmation).
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Yes any model with the Trait, iNcluding itself
"To a real warrior, power perceived may be power achieved."
Are you sure? O_o This has no-sense. Can Gok stacks regeneration? Why can Stack multiple times? cause its free action?
Cause if its due to its a free action, The Wrath can activate his +1Str Multiple times too. And this is Insta-win.
Kenko Feat stacks, but in his cost of Ki say so. Does Matsu force manipulation +1str stacks too? Ichiro aura stacks if I pay 2 times? The kairai villager can stack regeneration too? Zuba Tactician can stack?
Need clarification on this. Thank you.
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I actually agree, Atrus. A good rule might be that abilities don't stack with themselves.
Bonuses from different sources would still stack, and the abilities that are intended to stack could be expressed as '(Ki)X; Strength +X'.
Perhaps in the next iteration of the rules?
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I think this has already been addressed but yes.
Free actions can be actived mulitple times as they have always been. But rengeration multiple times would mean nothing as its aa single dice roll.
"To a real warrior, power perceived may be power achieved."
Regeneration with a Dice roll? Wtf o_O Ok. Now Im confused.
I still need clarification for what stack and what not in the examples that I had mentioned.
Sorry for that, but I think its a very important thing of the game and need to be clear.
Thanks again.
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+ stacks others do not.
"To a real warrior, power perceived may be power achieved."
Two questions there. Does it means that you can activate a free skill as many times as you want in a turn? Because in order to stack +strenght, that's the only way.
So, Wrath may spend all his ki markers to get, say, +5 strenght? people may get really scared if it's so.
Moreover, Ikiryo could activate her "touch the void" ability as many times as needed, spending 3 ki each time. She could return up to 8 wounds! The rules in the card state the cost is X, and X can't be more than 3. But then, if she can activate the skill infinite times, she can spend 3, then other 3, and then other 2 (a maximum of 8 ki stacked on her).
If the +1 strenght could be stacked, the rule in the card should "say so". You can't make a general rule that only a applies to certain free skills, as it will be utterly confusing for players. Free skills should be intended to be or not be used more than once during an activation, but the rule should affect all of them.
An if not, just rewrite the skills as Kenko's states: KiX or (Ki Ki) X: +1 strenght. it's just that, so everybody may understand it can be used more than once.
Player usually thank this kind of rule clarifications or FAQ's, rather that just a monosylabic "Yes", since it usually confuses players more than help them.
Thanks for your patience
P.D: Regeneration roll?? That's new. Is there something we should know? Any spoilers?
Moreover, Ikiryo could activate her "touch the void" ability as many times as needed, spending 3 ki each time. She could return up to 8 wounds! The rules in the card state the cost is X, and X can't be more than 3. But then, if she can activate the skill infinite times, she can spend 3, then other 3, and then other 2 (a maximum of 8 ki stacked on her).
It states on the card that the ability can only be used upto 3 times. Once the wound roll is resolved and the Feat effects applied your free to use it again for another wound roll.
If the +1 strenght could be stacked, the rule in the card should "say so". You can't make a general rule that only a applies to certain free skills, as it will be utterly confusing for players. Free skills should be intended to be or not be used more than once during an activation, but the rule should affect all of them.
If a Ki Feat is restricted in its then it says so. Ki Feats that grant a + or - stack as you can continue to add/deduct, if a Ki Feats grants a Trait (x) it doesnt as all that happens is the model gains the trait again and again.
P.D: Regeneration roll?? That's new. Is there something we should know? Any spoilers?
This was a mistake, ignore this.
"To a real warrior, power perceived may be power achieved."
Actually, if we go back and really look at the rules* it is implied in the chapter on the statistics on th profile cards.
" This is the cost in Ki to increase the base value by one for the duration of a single dice roll or stat use. A player may increase a statistic multiple times, as long as there are Ki Markers available to do so. This is considered a Ki Feat and a Free Action (see Ki Feats and Ki Generation)."
That you can raise stats by more than one is explicit, but it also implies that other Ki feats stack. The question however is what stuff stacks, and O-Sensei T answered that.
And yes, Wrath is scary. Shouldn't he be? He looks scary. But if he spends all his Ki he's gone. And it cuts both ways, Kenko in Ichiro's aura is scary in exactly the same way - and so are most major figures with a slew of Ki available.
Ikiryo's feat states that "If Ikiryo would be wounded [...] may spend up to (Ki)(Ki)(kI)" which clearly indicates that she may spend no more than three Ki every time she is about to become wounded.
* Hate doing that. It feels like... cheating!
[Edit] Ninjaed by Master T! That's what I get for having a window open in the background before returning to it!
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OK. So only +X traits stack. Wrath look overpowered (attack from behind with Fear5 and a sacrificable model for lots of Sharp damage.... 8rice. Oh yeah ), but ok, now its clear to me. Thank you for your patience.
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I hardly think the Wrath is overpowered - it's not like the Orphan has infinite amounts of KI. If she waits three turns to summon Wrath it has 6 Ki. It can spend five to get CP 7, but then is left with (effectively) one hit point.
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Up to now, he've been playing considering that +1 strenght skills couldn't be stacked (at leat, using the same skill), and still, Wrath was a killing machine. Actually, a 2ki Wrath was a killing machine. Now i would really be scared.
The orphan focuses and next turn generate a 6 ki mint Wrath with 2 activations. that means that a 6 Ki wrath has 2 turns to burn down all that ki in strenght. until now, getting a +5 cp was nice, but not lethal as normally the highest dice was 6. But now, Wrath can effectively charge through the enemy, get any model from behind, scare him to death and attack with, for example, 3 dice into attack and str+5. With all the cp penalty he's going to apply, that becomes deadly. Not a "if-you-get-a-1-on-defence-i-may-kill-you-with-a-good-dagame-roll" deadly, but a "unless-you-roll-a-6-you're-dead-buddy" deadly.
But anyway, I understand the ruling and will start playing that way. My mates will really hate me. It will be fun.