Bakemono summoning

It means Bakemono archers, the shaman or any other bakemono can be summoned back? And what about the tambourine duo? If they are considered as two bakemono, it should not be possible to summon them, as you can't summon them sepparately.

http://www.bushido-thegame.com/forum/gct-master-t-528-7 has the answer to a few of these queries:)

Mick

I thought the thread Greeny linked said that there was no limit to how many bakemonos you could summon? Have I missed something?

Given infinite amounts of Ki and time the Bakemonos could fill the earth* and subdue it.

* Or at least the Jwar isles.

Yes, but there's no limit based on how many you start with, is there?

I can summon the whole family even if I started with just the two archers?

The 9er limit was for the "old" Bakemono. 2 Archers, 4 normal guys and the 3 summonable boys.

Meantime you have more. Its limited by the 7 guys you can summon.

And all Bakemono lists are not so hard. More a joke for any armored force. Opponents like Hiro mow down a half dozen Bakemono singlehanded. Once you fall under the critical number where you cant summon your losses back you are out.

Yes that is the correct way.

We need an official rulebook which stated all these cases to clear every doubt. If not, we could eternally be discussing which is the correct interpretation of the rules quoting different posts from the bushido forum.

@cain- as with anything with rules still in development the feedback and discussion of players (like this thread) is what helps them shape the next stage of the rules, Master T may have posted something last year that the games development since has shown to be unsound, or players just couldn't get to grips with, I tend to go with the most recent post (in this case it would be the one he put after my last questions) as I'm happy to give him the ability to overrule himself on rules he wrote, after all, we're playing with his game:)

@Hakkor- I think when they get around to rules 2 they'll be rewording the Bakemono horde card (rather than including this in the rules itself)  taking into account all the questions that have come up since it first came out, it was one of the first things released after all and rules 2 will be a good opportunity to hammer out niggles like this.

the last point I'll make is if you think the rules should work a certain way and you feel they are unclear check with your opponent and see how they feel, if they agree with you then it doesn't matter what it says in the book, play how you like, it's not like Master T will send the Bakemono round to ambush rulebreakers:)

We, players, would appreciate some kind of "official rule" or bakemono Horde correction spoiler, in order to avoid so much arguing about the rules. Anyway, i'm gonna make my point, on behalf of most Bushido players in my zone, hoping staff members will consider it for the future ruling. After some discussion, we have seen that the following would be the easiest and simplest way of stablishing the summon bakemono rule.

Being able to summon only "*" cost Bakemonos makes most sense. It's much easier to sepparate "Paid Bakemonos" with a cost in rice, which cannot be summoned, and a set amount of "Bakemono Sommoning" cards, so that a player can't have more summoned bakemonos than the number of cards in play.

The 9 bakemono on the board rule may come from the time we only had the bakemonos from the starter pack. That way, when speaking about the limit 9 people was trying to say that the maximum number of bakemonos were "starting bakemonos + 3 summonings". I think it's much simpler to set the limit not in any certains number or percentage, but a number of bakemons which can be summoned, and not any more. Resummoning a slayed "summoned bakemono"  in game sound great, though.

Now, for people that may get depressed for not being able to summon infinite bakemonos (which, sincerelly, doesn't sound very nice), there's an option to make everybody happy without changing the rules, twisting them, patching them or whatever. Just make a few more "summon bakemono" cards up to the limit the staff thinks is correct.

This game is brilliant due to it's simple rules and the way it has to make a game complex and tactic without twisting the rules too much. that's why it's so important to keep rules like this one as simple as possible. And we all now the staff members are on it, as they have been proving it up to now with every release.

Seriously, can someone put the exact post where Master T exactly says the 1.5 bakomo stuff? I can't fin it.

I believe the matter of having two dozens of bakemono in a 24''x24'' tabletop would make new players feel an urge to run and never ever play this game again. A demo with 6 backemonos, 3 summonings and an Oni was complex enough. So now if there's the possibility of bringing infinite Bakemonos (and you can summon a new bakemono for every 4 of them. In the end, there will be so many bakemonos it's going to be impossible to turn the buda heads to your side.), I know many players won't have any fun playing versus a list filled up solely with bakemonos. Yet, it's still possible to find someone who is eager to play a list like that, just because of the fun of torturing the opponente (yes, there are players like that).

Appart from that, I think it's better to avoid as much errata as possible, specialy on miniatures that come in a starter pack for begginers. I would hate it to start explaining new players in our local store the many erratas in they're brand new starter cards.

But, if that's the best way to clear the rules instead of adapting new releases to correct any problem in the future, I'll have to accept that. But I would really appreciate a propper explanation from the staff for the reasons of these drastic changes.

We'll see what happens in rules 2.0

I'm already missing the monosylabic "that's correct" from Master T.