melee combat

Ok, so an attack/ defence roll is *not* an opposed roll?!

Just to see if I got this straight:

A kairai is attacked by Kenko. The Kairai has two dice in it's combat pool, and Kenko three. [Edit: My bad, Kenko should have four.]

The Cult player wants to lock Kenko in battle, and so allocates both dice to defence, and Kenko gets two dice in attack and one in defence.

They roll all dice at the same time, but Kenko's attack is resolved first.

Kenko attacks with a 4 and a 2, and rolls a 5 for defence.

The kairai rolls 4 and 4.

Kenko wins, because his dice pool is bigger, counting the whole combat pool, not just the attack dice. (And size of pool goes before second die result.) 

It is a measly (4-4=) 0 succes level, so the kairai will live to fight another round.

Did I get that right?

What would have happened if Kenko was fighting Nezumi instead?

Kenko did as before, rolling the same, 4 & 2 for attack, and 5 for Defence.

Nezumi rolled 4 & 3 in defence and 4 for his attack.

Does Kenko win the attack, counting his defence die as his next highest, or does Nezumi, whose second attack die is higher than Kenko's second attack die?

I guess the first, counting the whole pool, even though it feels odd that Kenko's second die is higher than his first.

I think you are wrong:

You only compare the number of Attack dices against the number of defence dices, and not all dices together.

In your example, for my oppinion, Kenko loose the fight, because if the hightst dices are equal, and both roll the same number of dices, then the second one will compare

In the second example it´s the same, Kenko loose.

From my point of view you can only compare the attack dices from the attacker with the defenc dices from the defender.

From the rules:

The active player compares his highest Attack die with the highest Defense die of the opponent.

And from this you can only compare the number of rolled Attack dices against the number of rolled defence dices.

See the following example.

Hiro have a CP of 4 and Kenko have a CP of 2.

Hiro split teh CP in 2 attack and 2 defence

Kenko give all in defence.

Hire roll 5 and 3 with his attack and 6 and 2 with defence

Kenko roll 5 and 4.

If you compare the whole number of rolled dices Hiro winns. And thats not fair, because Kenko, who plaiy ver defence loose, and have no chance to block him by tie of the highest dices.

Ok

In the original question the attack hits because;

It an opposed test so

1. check highest dice scores = Equal
2. Check number of dice rolled = Attacker rolled more, attacker is succesful.

In the Kenko vs Puppet

1. Check highest dice = Equal
2. Check total dice rolled = Kenko hits in the 0 as he rolled 3 dice (although his CP is 4?)

In the combat Kenko Vs Nezumi

1. Check highest score, starting with the model that has the initiative = Assuming Kenko goes first a draw both have 4 or if Nezumi is first he misses as 5 vs 4.
2. Check number of dice rolled = Draw as both rolled 3 dice
3. Check second highest dice (of that type, @Henrix; you dont check the 5 as its a defence and not an attack) = Nezumi defends as his 3 is higher than Kenko's 2.

Cheers  

yes you are correct

in the Hanso Vs Zuba example . If Hanso don't kill Zuba  then is Zubas turn to do the same 

Zuba's first attack die ties with Hanso's defence die. They have rolled three dice each. We then compare Zuba's second die with Hanso's lack of second defence die, and find that Zuba wins with succes level 0, as his second 5 is more than nothing.

I'm still a little fuzzy on this to be honest.

Jin (Active Player) and a Kairai find themselves in melee:
Jin (3 CP) places 1 in attack and 2 in defence
Kairai (2 CP) places 1 in attack and 1 in defence

After the rolls Jin gets a 5 on the attack roll and a 3, 1 on the defence roll
Kairai gets a 4 on the attack roll and a 5 on the defence roll

Therefore Jin's 5 attack only equals the Kairai's 5 defence they count the number of dice rolled as Jin rolled more dice she wins with a success of 0???

The Kairai on the other hand wins with a success of 1??

Is this correct ???

Ok I think I've got it, CP increases paid with Ki are they for one round of melee only or for the turn??

I'd like to pipe up with questions about timing in Melee.

1) The model that initiated the exchange has the initiative, the slow trait superceeds this. If the model with the initiative kills his opponent with his attack, then you ignore the effects of the opponents attack dice?

2) Last Stand superceeds the above, and I'm guessing that Hiro's decapitate trigger superceeds Last Stand due to removing the model.(Removes model outright, does no wounds)

3) A Kairai under the effect of Rise Again reduced to 0 wounds, is exhausted and placed on its side, its attack is ignored unless it had already struck due to some circumstance.

4) If both models have slow, then standard method for determining who has the initiative occurs, ie, Active model is the Kairai Ashigaru with the rusty naginata who charges Jin (who has the First Strike Trait). As a free action the Kairai activates Chill, making Jin slow. With both having slow, the initiative for Melee defaults back to the Kairai who initiated the combat.

I'm sure there was another case of some ability that affected timing of figure removal, but I can't recall what it was, think it was on one of the newer figures.

1) Yes

2) Yes

3) The Kairai is placed prone and so does not check any Attack dice.

4) Yes

I think the effect of being prone is different to the Rise Again ability, being prone causes a -1 CP but the only action you can take when prone is to stand up and don't exert a ZoC. So I', guessing if you are attacked while prone you can still defend yourself and still place dice into Attack.

The Rise Again ability makes them fall to the ground exhausted and fully healed, but it looks like from the wording of Rise Again that you could still hack into them with other figures while they are down.(though I did read something about them being 'immune' while affected by rise again, that kinda confuses me)